Since my other thread didnt seem to get too far heres a different question.. in the start menu, where the shortcut to applications are usually found, under my apps folder theres an "Application Reference" file? where is the exe that this is supposedly referring to?? I looked in local settings folder and theres nothing there?? if i try to use the exe out of the release folder from my development computer on any other computer it gives me an "event type: clr20r3 system.invalidoperationexception". it only seems to work right when i use the click once to install. grrrrr