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hi yep, i see, thanks again for your help adam :)

hi'ya ah yes i see, and that way you could use the bit of Encrypt code anywhere else and with out having to type it out again and again..... thats a far neater way of arranging the app, i'll have to start thinking that way... thanks again for your help adam,

hi thanks, i was working in that direction at one point, making a loop that moved on to the next letter using the loop counter but it would just do the last letter, because i was missing the sout = sout + Chr(nc) bit so it would over write the letter each time, and then the baby...

hi thanks for getting back, that bit of code just changes the first letter back -1 asc() and then turns it upper case though.... i need to change the whole word(s) letters all back -1 so "hello" would become "gdkkn", and "Hello World" > "Gdkkn Vnqkc" any ideas... thanks again for you...

hi i am learning VB.net with out any other knowledge of programming, it's going ok but i'm stuck on a basic text encoding problem where i have to change all ASC code by -1,,,, i like to try and work everything out my self and bimble my way,, but i just can work this out at the mo,, i have...